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fusibles... what is your preference?
« on: February 01, 2014, 01:37:38 PM »
So many fusibles out there...
what's your preference when doing fusibles like raw-edge applique?

I am getting down to the last couple yards of my HnB Lite, I had bought a bolt of it 4 years ago, and it was like 35 yards... since I am working on multiple fusible projects, figured I'd take advantage of the 60 percent coupon yesterday at J's... lo and behold, they do NOT have HnB Lite on the bolt anymore... pout... I was not about to buy 10 or 15 individual 1 yard packages!

So I scoured to see what they did have, and they had WonderUnder Lite (there is a 795 (heavy duty), an 805 (sewable, paper-backed) and 807 (same as 805 but no paper backer) ) ...

Ok, last time I used WU it was old, inherited stuff.... gave me nightmares trying to work with it, but maybe it was not stored properly, and the glue has lost its tack (maybe stored near a heat source, or something, I don't know)...

So I'm experimenting with the WU today, not sure I like it as much as HnB Lite. What do you like, and why?

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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2014, 01:47:32 PM »
I was going to ask the same question! I've been using SteamASeam2 (the old stuff) and am wondering if the new is really better. My problem is that designers have already reversed the pattern for you to use single sided fusible but SAS2 is double sided so I have to remember to trace from the other side or live with the pattern facing the other way. I bought some Misty Fuse but it isn't backed on either side. There must be a single sided fusible but the place I do most of my shopping at doesn't have it and I can't order it if I have no clue as to what it is.
   SteamASeam2 works fine if you remember about the tracing problem.

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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2014, 01:48:47 PM »
wow, you have fusible over 4 yrs old and it still works?  Is the 805 paper backed fusible on both sides?
I don't remember what I bought \but used light weight interfacing fusible. like Eleanor Burns uses. I have two old pkgs that I will find out soon if they still are any good.
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2014, 01:51:41 PM »
wow, you have fusible over 4 yrs old and it still works?  Is the 805 paper backed fusible on both sides?
yes, but have been very careful how I store it ... and my wash-n-gone for embroidery is wrapped in plastic, and kept cool & dry too... still works fine, I am just almost out :D
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2014, 02:25:40 PM »
For a one sided fusible I use Pellon 135.  Its a tricot knit and very light weight.  If I'm using a sating stitch to applique a shape down, I just use little dabs of a glue stick and then go.  I don't use fusible very often as I don't like the added stiffness it adds.

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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2014, 02:49:33 PM »
I have a roll of paper backed wonder under that I like for appliqué.

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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2014, 03:48:03 PM »
I have a roll of paper backed wonder under that I like for appliqué.
I have played with a couple pieces today (adding a birdhouse to my window quilt) ... what is your time-table for first-fuse? then time for second fuse? I have iron set to wool/silk ...
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2014, 03:50:46 PM »
I use Wonder Under (Pellon 805) by the 35 yard bolt.  I'm on bolt #4 I think, maybe #5, so you could probably say I use a lot of it.  I use it on art quilts of all sizes, cards, fortune cookies, portfolios, CD holders, pretty much everything I do except functional quilts. 

Reasons I like it:
  • it's easy to find
  • it's easy to use
  • it's inexpensive
  • it's easy to store
  • it's very secure
  • it's very reliable
  • I can hand stitch through 4 layers with no difficulty
  • I can transfer a pattern directly onto the webbing so I don't have to cut through the paper unless I want to
  • I can run it through my printer and get extremely accurate identical patterns
  • I can tack fuse pieces and move them around if I want to change something
  • I can pre-fuse fabrics, remove the paper, roll them up, and have them ready to cut free-style whenever the creative mood strikes me
  • I can use it to add papers, even as fine as rice or tissue paper, to my art quilts with no change in the appearance of the paper
  • I can paint it and use it on the surface of the fabric as embellishment
  • I can use it to 'trap' threads, yarns, and other fibers as embellishment
  • it never, ever gums up my needles, hand or machine
  • it's easy to get off my iron using a dryer sheet
  • it's the widest bolt fusible available (17¼")
I'm sure there's more, but that's the quick list.  I've also used Steam-a-Seam, Steam-a-Seam2, and Heat'n'Bond.  I didn't like any of them as I much as I do the 805. 
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2014, 04:01:50 PM »
I have iron set to wool/silk ...
Wonder Under needs a hot, dry iron...cotton setting, FW, not wool, is best
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2014, 04:08:27 PM »
I have iron set to wool/silk ...
Wonder Under needs a hot, dry iron...cotton setting, FW, not wool, is best
ghost, i took 3 identical scraps from my scrap bin, and used 3 different settings on my iron... hotter than silk/wool (setting #2 on my iron) makes the glue too liquid and it seeps thru the fabric very quickly (literally within 3 seconds of the first-fusing) ... and my test scraps were a very meaty handed cotton, some Susan Winget scraps...

I guess that only means that every iron is different? this one is fairly new (a year old or so) ... just a cheap Walmart iron so I don't get my good one goopy
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2014, 04:16:09 PM »
Interesting.  The glue came UP through the fabric?  I've never had that happen, even when fusing paper.  I use a $10 WalMart iron on the highest setting.

Your other question was about time between layers when fusing, is that right?  Like putting a house on a background and then adding doors and windows?  Or do you mean between fusing to the backside of one fabric and then adding it to the second fabric?

Try this site for info on fusing in general and 805 in particular.
http://artfabrik.blogspot.com/p/fusing-tips.html
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2014, 04:17:51 PM »
I've been using this one lately. It worked well with a cool iron for just a few seconds for the original bond and then about 10 seconds with a mist of water for the second. It's fairly soft and flexible in my little artsy wall hanging.

That being said, most of the fusing I do is with the heaviest, stiffest I can find so I am not much of a judge. I bond several layers of a Peltex type material together for bottoms.

I have way too much product so I keep it wrapped in a plastic bag standing in a little bucket in my chest freezer. Probably overkill since you really have no idea how long it was in a warehouse or on the store shelf.

I guess the link would help...

http://www.createforless.com/Pellon-Fusible-Stabilizer-Clear-Fuse-Web-20-25yd/pid180239.aspx
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2014, 04:37:53 PM »
I don't think Heat and Bond is being made anymore, not even the newer version. 

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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2014, 04:38:43 PM »
ghost, I am using the 805 paper backed version ~ I draw my design on the paper side, then fuse it onto the fabric... my fabric was wrong-side-up, fusible was paper-side-up ... fused for 3 seconds in trials, and the cotton setting liquified the glue nearly instantly, and after letting it cool for a minute or so, the whole thing was stuck to my board cover... its all the way over at one end, so not a problem for me, but I was curious "what if I use too hot an iron"... I like to test the limits of stuff like that.

By the way, the #1 setting on my iron still did not fuse for the first phase after 20 seconds... so at least for my iron, it's the wool/silk setting.

and the different time frames, I was just curious... I already read the directions on the 805, was just curious what variations have worked for others... I don't always follow the mfg directions if I find another way works too (or suits the project-at-hand better)

bellaboo ~ they did still have pre-packaged 1-yard cuts of it on the notions wall... of course those could very well be a couple years old though
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2014, 04:54:12 PM »
I have a new black and decker and I use the cotton setting for several seconds, have never had it bleed thru my fabric.  I used a lower setting on an acrylic sweater I was adding a patch to and it didn't fuse on, so I went back with a hotter iron and it worked well and didn't melt the sweater.

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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2014, 04:57:00 PM »
my iron I use for fusibles is just a little "Rival" brand from wallyworld... for $8.00 I don't care if I get it goopy LOL ... maybe my cotton setting runs hot or something... so maybe I'll word it to my students "instrux say... but test YOUR iron on scraps first"
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2014, 04:57:52 PM »
That's always the disclaimer, isn't it?  Results will vary...

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That's always the disclaimer, isn't it?  Results will vary...
some people call that "CYA" LOL
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2014, 05:05:56 PM »
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2014, 05:27:43 PM »
oh my, my. I always use two Teflon sheets. one under the fusible item and one over. well usually. the one over, I can see through. the one under I've had for years and is brown.
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2014, 08:05:00 PM »
I am very partial to Wonder Under 805 or 806. The new stuff they recently came out with is fabulous! A great improvement!
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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2014, 09:43:36 PM »
I like both misti-fuse and stitch witchery.  I use Teflon sheet under.  I fuse the stuff to my fabric before cutting out my shapes.  I have used scraps that were fused a long time ago, and they are still perfectly fine.  Misti-fuse is very lightweight.  you hardly know it is there,  but it is more expensive, so I don't use it for every project.  I am thinking I will try the 805 and see if I like it.  But, for the most part, I like a fusible with NO paper.  I find the paper wants to "shrink" if you're not careful and that messes things up.  I would rather use a paperless, and a Teflon sheet.  NEVER any shrinkage to distort fabric or design. 

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Re: fusibles... what is your preference?
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2014, 09:05:37 AM »
What works for me...

either parchment paper or release paper (that's the 'naked' 805 paper from prior fusings) under the fabric to protect the ironing board
dry iron on cotton setting (Rival model ES280 from WalMart)
another piece of parchment or release paper between the paper side of the fusible and my iron
iron/press for 7 seconds (I count to 10, but it's actually 7 elapsed seconds) before moving iron to next area
let it set, as is, until cool, time depends on size fused (I do several fat quarters or half yards at a time most often when doing the first fuse)
move it to another flat table and stack the rest on top as the batch is completed
leave them alone for at least 24 hours to cure before using or storing

Like Denise, I've used pre-fused fabrics that were years old with no problems at all.
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